but probably fair that I say I'm basically out of the development and support role here. No one here probably to care but labor or love and deserves a little goodbye for my own closure. Read it or don't read it. I do and probably will pop in from time to time but I let my personal sites die and let my customers know that the code had become unwieldy and something I as a small company could no longer support. I "refunded" most of the small businesses I worked with with ongoing technical support that I continue today. I don't leave anyone in the lurch despite them eventually losing their own auction sites. I have integrated a few other coders projects and feel I've more than backed my initial contracts with anyone I've worked with. I loved this project and really like Renlok despite never meeting him in person. He is certain of success. It's been a fun run really and I've enjoyed the overall work with Renlok and Nay27uk, who had our own history that ended in a friendship and shared dedication to the project. Lots of other great people along the way along with a very few random Aholes who have burned out by themselves for the most part. Such is online life. Renlok was relatively young (and smart) so no real surprises that things moved on and the project was left behind. I'm hopeful the resume' reference move him further along. Sure, something official should have been said but youth has it's privileges and I knew Ren well enough with our communications to give him a full pass but also hopefully a lesson learned for his future life. Truth is demanding response from a shared code project "leader" is a little out of line as the project becomes yours once you sign on. Much respect to Ren, more code savvy then me by a long shot and these days that is valuable. Nothing but the best Renlok! Cool that your project is still alive and growing albeit slower than before. Truth is this can still be uploaded and running for free...it's a fair price for sure. This kind of project is not for everyone. It's really not the kind of thing a novice can generally just pop in and get running, support is always needed and there always has to be a cadre or experts. Those experts, with respect to those who have some knowledge here, are lacking at the moment and not like the initial building of the project when we all (I hesitate to include me name frankly) pushed the development from the initial poorly built package. You'll see me from time to time but at this point I don't have a site to fool with anymore and can only advice on things that don't involve WeBid specific code. Nay is a hold out and as much a backer as I am so he will be the last source of the original "builders" here. Lol, anyone reading this BS? Lol again, felt a certain obligation to the hangers on and maybe even the old school who just pops in to read stuff. I remember the good times and pass on the bullshit and trolls! I am ever hopeful for someone to develop a viable auction site to challenge the big boys and would welcome ANY opportunity to work with a company that has that vision. I'll start in the mail room! Have fun with this, that was the original purpose despite the potential monetary returns. Big ups to Renlock, Nay and the guys who know who they are from the past but I wont enumerate. I'm not looking for any response at all. Call it cathartic though I would love if some of the old school guys here who may have watched without comment could pop in to let me know you are alive and kicking, we did some good work here. I finish with the hope that I have helped just a couple of people along the way, that is always my mission as a contributor to this kind of project or a moderator of a forum for that matter. I've done both many times and have generally always enjoyed it. Keep open source alive and keep (rationally) thinking!