Any successful sites out there?

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  1. tholyoak

    tholyoak New Member

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    So are there actually any successful sites out there using this script? I've got about 5 more months before Amazon starts charging me for hosting my site on AWS, and I'm hoping mine will be doing better by then, but I'm wondering if anyone has actually managed it yet?
     
  2. skyhigh

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    Soon very soon
     
  3. skyhigh

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    lol never knew u were this funny well every thing will be ok this year
     
  4. Box Lot

    Box Lot Super Moderator Staff Member Developer

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    Yeah funny but let's chill out on the Renlok comments. Dude is in school and can't be blamed after 3 solid years of development (with relatively little help except in the 1st year) for taking time to progress in the real world.

    He hasn't abandoned the project and still has interest but I worry about even joking comments eventually having the opposite effect and making him walk away. If your not in it now then please remember the pressures of higher level school.

    If I can hold on then anyone can. :D

    You know that most open source projects like this at this point take on a life of their own and are directed by the originals who really only get their hands dirty with huge issues and big new development. The REAL problem is the again relative lack of expertise and dedication here (not to say that there isn't any before anyone reacts emotionally) to move the project forward in his absence and solve code conflicts.

    As for success with a site, that has little to do with the code itself to be honest and it is a highly competitive world auction wise right now. I have, however, seen sales on WeBid based sites in a number of cases.

    The same can be said for a traditional retail site these days. You can buy the most expensive and well coded retail package out there and set it up but making sales with it is far from guaranteed. Thousands of examples out there and online sales of any kind are far from a gaurantee these days.
     
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  5. nay27uk

    nay27uk Super Moderator Staff Member

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    In my opinion In this day and age it is hard to make money with an auction site no matter how good a nich you have.
    WHY? because of that well known auction site that has tens of millions of users, there is nothing in this world that cant be sold on there, they are even doing adult only auctions now in the USA.

    That well known site is to well known, like I say they have tens of millions of users, you can gurentee if there is not a category for it there then there soon will be, when someone askes how can I sell this? the first thing people say is have you tried ----

    Unfortunatly the only good ways of making any kind of money on the internet today are affiliate systems, Creating scripts, creating mods for various scripts, creating themes for various scripts and finaly Porn and Torrent sites
     
  6. pani100

    pani100 Well-Known Member

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    Hi,
    Webid has meta tags for the whole site:
    <meta name="description" content="">
    <meta name="keywords" content="">
    (not filled anything in the admin panel yet)
    no item meta tags, no SEO, code that is unfinished, just found out even if I did put up a live site and someone did buy an item I was selling I could not send it to him as I have no name. Very basic things that are needed. Once these are done and working we might stand a chance to attract some customers and google.
     
  7. tholyoak

    tholyoak New Member

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    I have an niche site that I expected to do well, because I have been involved in the niche myself as a buyer and seller, and know many other buyers and sellers. Unfortunately, even my friends will not post their items because there is no traffic. But if they posted their items, there would be traffic! It is a chicken and egg problem. :(

    I am creating sitemaps and submitting them to Google and Microsoft and have paid for advertising on Facebook and used the free advertising offers from Google and Microsoft. I get some views, but no bites. The only sales have been of items I listed myself. I even put a brand new AppleTV up for sale last week for 0.99 to try to get some attention, and it went for a measly $24 to someone I knew and could have sold it to directly for much more. :(
     
  8. tholyoak

    tholyoak New Member

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    Maybe I'm doing it wrong. I'm not charging for anything except a 5% final value fee to the seller. And when people sign up, they get a $5 credit to pay for their first $100 in sales. I thought 5% was very competitive compared to Amazon and Ebay, especially with no fees for listing, featured auctions, etc.

    I even listed one of the "buy now only" auctions on Google Shopping so it appears if people search for that particular product. And I had a shirt made to advertise my site that I've worn to several conferences that are related to the niche I am targeting.

    One possible problem is that I have the word "beta" prominently displayed on my site so that instead of complaints when people run into errors, they give me helpful error reports and suggestions. I've wondered if the "beta" is scaring people off, though.
     
  9. nay27uk

    nay27uk Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I used to use WeBid for a nich auction site and the nich that I had is big, my nich was the radio market catering for anything RADIO from a small handheld AM radio to a full blown SDR a CB to HAM and every thing inbetween, my site catered for anything RADIO and was the only Radio only auction site on the internet, I ranked between 1 -10 on all majour search engines including google, I was listed on all radio related forums and other radio related sites.

    When I finaly allowed my domain http://www.theradiobay.com to run out after three years of running it the site had over 3000 members and it was growing, however I never had a single one of those members post an item for sale, all the site ever had on it was my own auctions that I used to post regularly to keep the site looking busy and none of those items sold.

    The reason for this is because there are categories for it already on ebay Electronics > radio Equipment people would rather pay to list on ebay than on any other site because they know that thier item will be seen by almost the hole world and they know they will get a bidding war start on thier item hence they get top dollor.

    Like I said above, In my opinion and through experience you wont make money because of ebay, it dont matter how many items you have on the site or how many search engines your listed in or how much you fill up your site with mock auctions.

    It could work if you have loads of money to advertise on TV, radio an in magazines and newspapers then you may start making a bit of money.

    One only has to google the term "Powered by WeBid" and look through the results to see that most of the sites that run WeBid have either closed down or have nothing listed.

    I dont wish to put people off using the script but I am saying if you are intending to make any serious cash from it then think again.
     
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  10. tholyoak

    tholyoak New Member

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    I'd be happy just to have my site pay for itself. :)

    There is at least one auction site that besides ebay that is doing well, but I guess that's because they're specializing in something ebay doesn't allow - aquarium fish. It's using a different auction script, and it's been around for a really long time. It's also completely free (but accepts donations and has advertising).

    There was another site that was doing well alongside ebay that was in the same niche I am in, but they closed down a few years ago due to decisions made by their parent company which I don't think were related to how the site was actually doing. I was hoping to take their place, and the people I talked to that used to sell there said they'd be interested. But I guess it is a combination of taking too long to replace it and a lack of marketing funds that is the problem.

    In a way, it's probably a good thing that I don't have much traffic yet, as I'm still working on making the site work correctly. Perhaps with time things will improve.

    On the plus side, I'm halfway to earning enough through Adsense to actually get a check...
     
  11. nay27uk

    nay27uk Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Thats great news theolyoak sounds like you chose a good nich.
    I wish you all the best in your new endevours.

    What gets me is the likes of ebay keep advertising on the TV here in the UK. WHY THE HELL do ebay need to advertise? everyone already knows about it.
    Seems like another case of the rich trying to get richer
     
  12. DutchDandy

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    So at the end, nobody has a website that is getting bids? This gives me the idea that it is more for developers than for marketeers. Am I right? I posted already posted that I am looking for a good auction script for auctioning large amounts of potatoes. Having a f*ck up, means it can cost me up to 250k.
     
  13. nay27uk

    nay27uk Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Dutch The resons that other auction sites dont do well is because of the one people already know and seem to love called somthing bay
     
  14. jjjason84

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    To make a successful auction website you have to market, publish and Advertise the website to help draw people to the website and it also helps if you have item for sell on the website to help draw people to the website and to keep them coming back. ebay started off the same way and the same with most other website but then over time they do start loosing customers because people get board with it or it is starting to cost to much so people move on to the next big thing in till that dies.
     
  15. DutchDandy

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    I have worked for the largest online auction house in Europe. They auctioned for bankruptcy and overstocks, so not like eBay that you have a lot of sellers. When you have a bankruptcy or overstock you can start auctioning from that place. (Marketing itself isn't the hardest part, getting the good stuff to auction is the hard part.) When you have good (exclusive) stuff to auction, you set a couple of advertisements in local papers for a day that people can take a look. You provide people with the lot-number and off you go. You only need 2 people to drive up 1 price.
    It is all about getting the attention and holding it.
     
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    Back to the topic. Are there any websites that use WeBid and are active?
     
  17. dragonflai

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    yes i'm active with my website... but for my opinion you have to work on a good way or idea to find your market. then try to apply this or correct.
     
  18. Pipster

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    I've got a successful webid auction site which is attached to my specialist forum for pigeon racers. In four years we have auctioned racing pigeons off and raised over £100,000 for charity. I also run private auctions and charge 10%-15% which I keep to pay for a dedicated server.

    Webid has always been very reliable, but I would now like to upgrade the look of the site to something more modern (still using webid).
     
  19. SurgerySupplies

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    While am still building and testing my webid site, i do own a company that sells both online and offline - So when it comes to having products, that's not a problem for me.

    What most people whom want to start an auction site should do, unless your wanting to stick to a niche market, is find distributors in your country that supply products to wholesalers or retailers. You do not need to be a registered company, as they accept sole traders too and that's what those of you that do not have a registered company actually are - Sole traders! I originally started out as a sole trader and i got accounts with distributors no problem, though at first it was pay per order before the distributor would ship the goods to my customer. Also to start with, turn the damn Counters Off, because as soon as they see you only have 10 sellers then any big sellers on Ebay or other sites will leave your site, and same with people looking to buy. So its better they do not know how many members you have. Only put the counters on when you have lots of members.

    Simply search, for example, furniture distributors on Google and same for other specific items. Then sign up with the distributors and they may either give you a credit account (if your a registered company with trade references) or a pay per order account.

    Distributors provide you with their price lists and product images, so you know what the cost of the product is and therefore know what prices to list it on your auction site for. When listing on your site create a username where you can put all of 1 distributors items listed under, and then create another username for the next distributors items and so on. That way you have each distributors items under 1 username and it looks like you have loads of sellers and loads of items on your site.

    Once you have done that, and Google has started sending people to your site, that's when its time to start thinking about marketing, not before (unless you want to fail). After all there is no point marketing a site that has low traffic, as many of you have found. It is content that drives traffic, not marketing as all marketing will do is simply bring people to your sight who will click a link in an advert and browse a couple of pages, see there is no content and kiss you goodbye. They will remember your site too in a lot cases, and when you finally do have content on your site and are advertising again, they will see the advert and think, oh yeah i remember that site it had hardly anything on it. You do not need that kind of Bad reputation when your only just starting - So whilst marketing on the likes of facebook or Google adsense is good for drawing people to the site, if you haven't got the content, then marketing can and will be your own worse enemy and will stop your site being a success. If you haven't got the content, then you have nothing worth marketing, as the site it self is not worth anything, its the content on the site that gives the site its value, and its the content your marketing not the website itself - Its that simple! There's no point marketing an empty and content-less site as doing so is the equivalent of advertising a boring empty space!

    So, Marketing + No content (listings) = Failure, end off!
    Whilst, Marketing + Lots of Content (Listings) = Success and solid foundation to continue to build on that success!

    So never market your site or advertise it, till after you have the content on the site (at least 1,000 listings active, easiest way is to list them via CSV to SQL). Yes submit the site to search engines as they'll pick up your listings as and when they crawl your site.

    One very handy tool we need on for Webid is something similar to Oscommerce Mod called Easy Populate, which enables you to download from the admin page, a CSV file of the Auctions active on your Webid site in the same format that is accepted by Google as a data feed for Google shopping. Though this would also need Webid to integrate the Item Condition Mod. Then all we would have to do is simply make minor changes to the CSV files content and upload it to Google data feed. Just update the feed the each week.

    Sorry for the long post, just wanted to share my expertise whilst ensuring everyone will understand the importance of only marketing their site only when they have enough content (listings) on their Webid site that's worth marketing.
     
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  20. landitcouk

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    Dahlsvarehus.com - I like your idea of joining sites or sharing of auctions items, I think the approach needs to be based on collaboration and logistics that is my intention although looking at the posts on here I am concerned that there may be a wall coming to greet me !
     

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